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Jehovah Witness 'r fundy fanatics2005-08-24 07:40:31dhaszard

Former member speaks out.--- Jehovah's Witnesses are a classic high demand destructive cult.--- The WatchTower Corporation is a media publishing, real estate development, and convention sponsoring company and their literature all promotes the corporation and those goals. ---- I have Jehovah's Witnesses family in Naples Florida Kingdom Hall who practice the Watchtower JW enforced ritual shunning that i have not seen or heard from in 15 years.--- I am not the only one,the 'fraud in the name of God' Jehovah's Witnesses have defrauded MILLIONS of followers.--- When the Watchtower corporate racket is held accountable for their misdeeds they scream religious 'persecution'.--- The Watchtower is a truly Orwellian world.--- ----- Danny Haszard Bangor Maine

More terrorism here2005-07-02 17:58:01rambaldi

These posts are an example of religious terrorism by Haszard. He is a terrorist. What do we have as the best example of religious teachings? We can learn much by examining the teachings when Jesus was on earth. The Kingdom of the Heavens is what he talked about. No terrorism, no attacks or assaults. Just a kingdom that would bring peace and life. The religious terrorists of his time were the religious leaders, the Pharisees solely bent on doing away with him, because his teachings didn�t promote their prosperity Jesus' followers had to deal with that terrorism in their time as Jude wrote. Jude 3 Beloved ones, though I was making every effort to write YOU about the salvation we hold in common, I found it necessary to write YOU to exhort YOU to put up a hard fight for the faith that was once for all time delivered to the holy ones. My reason is that certain men have slipped in who have long ago been appointed by the Scriptures to this judgment, ungodly men, turning the undeserved kindness of our God into an excuse for loose conduct and proving false to our only Owner and Lord, Jesus Christ. What we learn from that passage, we see happening today. Christians bring the message about salvation through the kingdom of the heavens, but they have to put up a hard fight for the faith, against whom? Ones who were among the faith but are now ungodly ones and have proven false to Jesus Christ. Religious terrorists don't have a message of the kingdom. They don't talk or write about salvation that they have in common They are not giving a message of how to stay true to Jesus Christ. What they are doing is just attacking another religion, particularly the faith that they had. Such ones practicing religious terrorism are those who are attacking Jehovah's Witnesses and their printing agency the Watchtower Bible & Tract Society. Jehovah�s Witnesses have faults, like Moses, did, like Peter did, like everyone else who was ever imperfect has. The difference is where they look to for the answers for that imperfection and that is in Jehovah God through Christ and his kingdom. Religious terrorists don�t want that kingdom. They harbor ill-will against Jehovah�s Witnesses and spread lies about them. They don�t want that message to get out. Their message focuses on them, not Jesus. Those who write and teach against the Watchtower are terrorists in that they are content solely to attack another cause or organization or religion but no cause or organization or religion to promote. Religious terrorists are focused on attacking a religion, not with the truth but with hatred. That is the reason that they should not be trusted or believed. Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist. He had a goal of attacking the United States for policies that they had and that he didn�t agree with. But would anyone take a civics lesson from him? Thus I don't understand why anyone would listen to the teachings of religious terrorists as their information is not from a good source.

.1% of world's population2004-07-30 18:18:30haszard

A Study of the Persuasion Techniques Used by Jehovah’s Witnesses and the Watchtower----------------- -Lifton’s Criteria for Thought Reform:::: -Milieu Control -Mystical Manipulation -Loading the Language -Doctrine over Person -The Sacred Science -The Cult of Confession -The Demand for Purity -The Dispensing of Existence -Hassan’s Criteria for Mind Control Behaviour Control------- -Information Control -Thought Control -Emotional Control -Propaganda -Cognitive Dissonance DOCTRINE OVER PERSON LET'S EXAMINE ______________ {{{{{ The belief of the group’s ideology is all-important, whether it aligns with reality and experience or not (Hassan & Das, n.d.). Anyone who questions the organisation’s beliefs is made to feel wrong for having done so, often having their questions used to judge their motives, character or integrity (CDC, n.d.). The person’s value to the group is dependent on their conformity to the group’s ideals (Watters, n.d.[c]). The organisation’s ultimate directive is to clone the members of the group, rather than encourage individual expressiveness, identity formation or independent thinking (ibid). >>>>>>>>>>>>The person’s thoughts or past and present experiences that do not align with doctrine must be reshaped, rewritten or denied Updated: 2004-07-30 06:53:44
Updated: 2004-08-02 08:19:04

I apologize for my earlier remarks2004-07-29 11:10:19redbank

I apologize for my critical remarks about you. I thought you were simply a bitter person. I didn’t understand what was driving this irrational hate until now….As I mentioned I work in healthcare and among other things I do 'needs assessments" for patients and their families. I am assigned to work with what is called the Ethics Committee. When a patient is very, sick and possibly dying we get involved to assist grieving family members helping them face the issues. We often see individuals who are conflicted and acting out in aggressive behavior. Let me explain via typical scenario: Mom is in the late stage of heart failure. She will die within the next few days. She has been dying for many months but was able to be at home with a live in attendant. The attendant who is a family member goes to the store –as usual- and when she returns Mom is on the floor and her breathing is labored. The family member panics and calls Uncle Bob who tells her to hang up and call 911. The paramedics rush mom to the hospital where she is placed in Cardiac Critical Care. Her Cardiologist who knows the case well comes to her bedside. Mom is unconscious and because she had a “Do not Resuscitate” order in her Advance Directives she is only being given oxygen. The Cardiologist says there is nothing he can do to intervene in this case, but Mom will be made comfortable. He tells the family that so much of her heart muscle is gone that she simply can not last much longer. He suggests that the family meet with the Ethics Committee… In the conference room there are fifteen family members, the majority of the family are adjusting appropriately to the fact that their loved one will soon die. After all this has been developing for many, many months. But one family member is ‘acting out’. She is blaming the family member who was living with Mom for being negligent by going to the store (as she had been doing out of necessity since moving in with mom) not getting mom to the hospital sooner, not calling 911 before calling Uncle Bob (using an extra90 seconds of time). She is blaming the hospital for not doing more to save their beloved parent. She is questioning whether the Paramedics did the right thing or drove fast enough. She is threatening to sue the Doctor, the Hospital, the Family member etc…..Do you think she is acting rationally? No one else is ranting. Why is she acting this way? Well the reasons vary but one thing is always true--- THE CONFLICT ALWAYS COMES FROM WITHIN THE PERSON, and left unresolved these conflicts can do UNTOLD DAMAGE TO THAT PERSON AND THOSE AROUND HER! I suggest your putting “all” Jehovah’s Witnesses in the category of Nazi’s is paranoid -- Exhibiting or characterized by extreme and irrational fear or distrust of others—The fact that your paranoia is wrapped around some facts doesn’t make it any better and in fact can make it much more difficult for you to get over. Please seek counseling. You can go to the Emergency room of any large hospital to start the healing.
Updated: 2004-07-29 10:11:17

"Wolves in sheep's clothing"2004-07-26 12:03:24haszard

The Watchtower is death and destruction.A "good" Jehovah's Witness is to me what a "good" Nazi is to a Jewish Holocaust survivor. [Example of culpability] If I was to go off and premeditate the murder of an 80 year old terminally ill cancer victim,who was going to die in 3 months anyway....I would be prosecuted for a capital murder offense would I not?...I would be guilty as charged whether my victim is young and healthy or elderly and very near death.Murder is murder.The evil Watchtower cult is blood-guilty in the premature deaths of MILLIONS of followers.......My own Uncle as one example of MILLIONS,he neglected caring for his health care,( diabetes) because Armageddon and the Watchtower paradise was always,'just around the corner..... The evil murderous Watchtower cult makes the Taliban look tame,the Nazis look nice.,and Charles Manson look like 'Charlie Brown'... The Public at large MUST be warned of these,predatory"wolves in sheep's clothing" [ Matthew 7:15 ]

Bitterness and Hate can be a Religion2004-07-25 11:00:55redbank

Bitterness and Hate can be a religion also.......If your ancestors lived what they believed then they lived well. Interestingly---you are just as "religious" for your 'cause' only your cause allows you to isolate yourself and to insulate yourself. Perhaps its a smokescreen. Perhaps there is a reason you can't move on with your life. My parents divorced when I was seven years old. There was a time when I used that as an excuse for all sorts of abhorrent behavior. Then a little light went off inside and I saw that I just didn't want to face my personal pain...once I did I learned to love and respect others instead of tear them down........................................................................................................................ab·hor·rent (ăb-hôr'ənt, -hŏr'-) adj. Disgusting, loathsome, or repellent. Feeling repugnance or loathing. Archaic-Being strongly opposed.Updated: 2004-07-25 10:01:52Updated: 2004-07-25 10:02:21
Updated: 2004-07-25 10:03:19

Where are they now?2004-07-24 14:28:16haszard

Refer again to the above postings my friend....... Jehovah's Witnesses are NOT benevolent.Three generations of my Haszard Clan have been defrauded by the Watchtower Bible and Tract $ociety. By their own admission only 144,000 of JW elite go to heaven.This amounts to less than 1% of JW membership.Sooo, where are my JW family members who died??Hello, they are all STILL dead,and they all died for NOTHING!

Raving2004-07-23 15:51:49redbank

Wow--what's with all the hate propaganda? You rave but do not offer proof of your allegations. I am supposed to believe you because you say it is so?.................... Why do you use up your life energy "watching the watchtower" or whatever it is you do at your website?,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,Why don't you do something constructive like volunteer at a hospital or join the Peace Corp?

JW's twist the bible2004-07-23 14:09:01haszard

What Bible? Theologically,Jehovah's Witnesses are a cult of Christianity.The oppressive organization DOES NOT represent historical, Biblical Christianity in any way. Sociologically, it is a destructive cult whose false teachings frequently result in spiritual and psychological abuse, as well as needless deaths. Watchtower Whistle Blower

Garbage2004-07-22 11:36:04redbank

The load of garbage that is the content of this thread! Because of my work (healthcare), I have many friends who are JW's. I have actually taken time to read their literature and have an intellegent dialog with them. My experience is that they are honest, thoughtful, intelligent...very much the opposite of the above portrayals. In my experience, everything they teach is from the Bible. Perhaps you posters have a different take or interpretation but that's another issue. If you are going to malign a group and say their beliefs are wrong then you'd better back it up with facts from the Bible. Otherwise you are just blowing hot air and propaganda (Hey! That's what you claim the JW's are doing, odd isn't it?).

Shaneless Prophesy2004-06-27 15:40:08gerry

Doctrines that make no predictions are less compelling than those which make correct predictions; they are in turn more successful than doctrines that make false predictions. But not always. One prominent American religion (Jehovah Witnesses) confidently predicted that the world would end in 1914. Well, 1914 has come and gone, and -- while the events of that year were certainly of some importance -- the world does not, at least so far as I can see, seem to have ended. There are at least three responses that an organized religion can make in the face of such a failed and fundamental prophecy. They could have said, "Oh, did we say '1914'? So sorry, we meant '2014.' A slight error in calculation. Hope you weren't inconvenienced in any way." But they did not. They could have said, "Well, the world would have ended, except we prayed very hard and interceded with God so He spared the Earth." But they did not. Instead, they did something much more ingenious. They announced that the world had in fact ended in 1914, and if the rest of us hadn't noticed, that was our lookout. It is astonishing in the face of such transparent evasions that this religion has any adherents at all. But religions are tough. Either they make no contentions which are subject to disproof or they quickly redesign doctrine after disproof. The fact that religions can be so shamelessly dishonest, so contemptuous of the intelligence of their adherents, and still flourish does not speak very well for the tough-mindedness of the believers. But it does indicate, if a demonstration were needed, that near the core of the religious experience is something remarkably resistant to rational inquiry. Carl Sagan. Broca's Brain (New York: Ballantine Books, 1979, pp. 332-333)

The "message" of JW's2004-06-23 13:18:18haszard

What is the "message" of Jehovah's Witnesses? By the own admission the central CORE doctrine of the Watchtower is that Christ Jesus returned to power( had his 2nd coming ) in the year 1914. What do you think? All high demand control groups[cults] have;"self terminating cliches". The one used most often by JW's is that all opposers esp. former members are 'full of hate',spread hate' and are all liars.

Show your independence, people!2004-06-21 12:52:05ma-earth

People are fools who blindly follow the commands of any religious leaders. God resides in the heart of anyone willing to let his (used loosely) spirit in...It does seem that, reading between the lines, one can feel hurt and anger in haszard's post but flipping him off by saying he is "depressed and bittered" is unfair.

JW2004-06-21 12:13:18ij33333

JWD posters are the most depressed and bittered people.

Jehovah's Witnesses convention2004-06-21 05:36:40haszard

Regarding; Jehovah's Witnesses a destructive abusive cult. The Watchtower is big money, being one of the top 40 New York City Corporations making nearly one billion dollars a year. That’s just from one of their many corporations. Unlike in the case of Christians who are persecuted in other lands for talking about Jesus Christ, Jehovah’s Witnesses are largely persecuted for following the teachings begun during the second presidency of the Watchtower, when Joseph F. Rutherford took over in a corporate flap and began changing doctrines quickly in the Watchtower belief system. He claimed that angels directly conveyed “truth” to some of those in leadership. He coined the name “Jehovah’s Witnesses” to make them stand out from being witnesses of Jesus, a typical evangelical expression (and a Biblical one). Rutherford dumped holidays, birthdays and the 1874 date for the invisible return on Christ, and invented an “earthly class” of Witnesses, since only 144,000 can go to heaven in their teaching. The rest, meaning all 99.9% of Witnesses still alive, will live forever on a cleansed earth, under the rule of the Watchtower leaders in heaven, who will keep them in line by local elders known as “Princes.” If you have been “witnessed to” by Jehovah’s Witnesses and you reject their message, you will likely die “shortly” at Armageddon with all the other non-Witnesses, since theirs is the only true religion, and (if they can live up to all the rules) they are the only ones to inhabit this “new earth.” If you believe Witnesses seem rigid now, any non-conformist during the future “cleansed earth” will be directly destroyed by Jehovah. Even now a Witness will be disfellowshipped for any one of many gaffs, such as smoking, taking a blood transfusion, or even voting. To even vocally question the teachings of the Watchtower will result in complete cutting off, with family and friends usually being forbidden to talk to them. The Watchtower is a truly Orwellian world, in a time when Orwellian societies are nearly obsolete. By their own Yearbook accounts, Witnesses are shrinking in number in many Western countries as of the last three years, as the internet facilitates the spread of information (much of it critical of the Witnesses). Witnesses are cautioned against creating JW-related websites, largely to prevent their members from discovering the history and dirty laundry of this organization on other websites. (There are literally hundreds of former members pages in many languages.) The Watchtower strives hard to control the flow of information to the individual Witness, and prefers that all instruction come through the magazines they carry door-to-door. Without this form of control, even as they themselves admit, they would believe just the same as other Bible believers. My hope is that there will be a day in each of their lives when the Watchtower magazine is no longer needed, and they can go to college, vote for office, and contribute money and time to other, more vital causes in their community. More than likely they will then cease to be persecuted, except in a few societies more authoritarian than their own. Sincerely, Danny Haszard Bangor,Maine USA Watchtower whistle Blower References: (type in a search word to find articles easily) (latest news on the child abuse lawsuits against the Watchtower) The anguish and the agony of having to renounce the lifelong convictions of one's heart.The surreal horror to know that it was all a lie!